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Republicans vs. The Constitution – New Update 8/12/11

We originally posted this in March 2011, but we will update this periodically to showcase the latest in their confusion with the Constitution. If you see items that we should add, feel free to let us know in the comments.

The GOP has made it a priority to mention how much they want judges to follow the Constitution, how much they believe in upholding the Constitution, how they want to make sure lawmakers respect the intent of the founding fathers.

Then they try to destroy it.

That’s no hyperbole, no intentional misrepresentation of their intent. No, the folks on the right say plenty about the Constitution, but in reality, they just think it’s a quaint little piece of paper that’s convenient to refer to occasionally so they can look patriotic.

Think I’m making it up? Below are some of the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. Along with them are what the right has done to try to disembowel each Amendment.

UPDATE 8/12/11: Rick Perry goes 2 for 2, with a weak on the Constitution in general. Before getting into the Amendments, Rick Perry showed his “grasp” of the Constitution in an interview for in Newsweek. When asked what the phrase “general welfare” in the Constitution means, Perry said the following :

I don’t think our founding fathers when they were putting the term “general welfare” in there were thinking about a federally operated program of pensions nor a federally operated program of health care. What they clearly said was that those were issues that the states need to address. Not the federal government. I stand very clear on that. From my perspective, the states could substantially better operate those programs if that’s what those states decided to do.

So in your view those things fall outside of general welfare. But what falls inside of it? What did the Founders mean by “general welfare”? 

I don’t know if I’m going to sit here and parse down to what the Founding Fathers thought general welfare meant.

But you just said what you thought they didn’t mean by general welfare. So isn’t it fair to ask what they did mean? It’s in the Constitution. 

[silence]

He knows what they didn’t mean, but can’t say what the did mean.

UPDATE 8/3/11: Added Rick Perry’s flip-flop on the 10th Amendment.

Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This has been a favorite for the right to trample underfoot, or twist in every way possible. This one requires addressing each section, as they have all been targets of attack from the right.

First:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

The first line of attack for the right is to claim that “freedom of religion is not freedom from religion” or that the United States is a “Christian” country. Neither is true. In the first case, freedom of religion means you don’t have to have any religion, and none shall be thrust upon you by the state. That’s where “establishment of religion” comes into play.

The founding fathers were pretty strong on this point, Jefferson in particular. At the time of the writing of the Constitution, there were many religions represented, and many of the original settlers came to the US to escape religious persecution. In fact, Jefferson was strong enough on this (and the right is aware of it) that folks like the Texas Board of Education have been working to re-write textbooks to minimize Jefferson’s importance, so that his views on a secular system of government are not exposed as strongly.

This sentiment was solidified in the Treaty of Tripoli, where it specifically states that the government of the United States is not rooted in the Christian faith. Since this is a treaty between the US and another country, it is a binding law, per another Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution. This was no mistake. There was discussion as to the inclusion of this piece, and the working of the Treaty was voted on by all members at the time, and voted through unanimously. It was published in the papers of the day. The intent was clear – to declare that the US is not a “Christian” country.

But that’s just half of the first sentence. The “free exercise thereof” has been under attack for the last few weeks because of an Islamic cultural center planned a few blocks from the site of the World Trade Center attacks. In this case, folks on the right call it an outrage that a Muslim “mosque” will be built “in the shadow of the World Trade Center”. It has even been called a “monument” and a
“training center” for future attackers and extremists.

“Building this structure on the edge of the battlefield created by radical Islamists is not a celebration of religious pluralism and mutual tolerance; it is a political statement of shocking arrogance and hypocrisy.

We need to have the moral courage to denounce it. It is simply grotesque to erect a mosque at the site of the most visible and powerful symbol of the horrible consequences of radical Islamist ideology. Well-meaning Muslims, with common human sensitivity to the victims’ families, realize they have plenty of other places to gather and worship. But for radical Islamists, the mosque would become an icon of triumph, encouraging them in their challenge to our civilization.”

- Newt Gingrich, July 28, 2010

Note the imagery: “Battlefield”, “radical Islamists”. Here’s some facts about the planned center:

  • It can’t be seen from the WTC site. Perhaps, when the Freedom Tower is built, you might see the top of the building from higher floors. But there will be no minarets, no extravagant architecture. It will look like an office building.
  • It is planned to be a 13-story building. Next to it, closer to the WTC site, is a 14-story building. This additionally hides the new building from sight.
  • It is not on a common path to the site. Tourists are unlikely to pass the building on the way to the site. They will likely be unaware of its existence.
  • Already closer? Two cathedrals, and Orthodox Greek church and Trinity Church and cemetery. Also, a mosque. The argument that “they don’t need another mosque this close” is ridiculous on its face. Does there need to be two cathedrals? Or two other, non-Muslim places of worship?

And yet, despite all of this, the folks on the right are falling over each other to decry the building of the community center. They have even suggested a zone, a perimeter around the WTC site within which a mosque cannot be built. Of course, they can’t really tell you whether 4 blocks, 4 miles, or 4 counties is far enough. Because no number will be good enough, no distance far enough.

But no matter the number they come up with, it violates the 1st Amendment. And we’re only on the first sentence.

“or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;”

With the significant exception of Fox News, the right has a more than healthy disdain for the press. Unless it serves their purpose, it is all part of “the liberal media” – a myth of epic proportions. Sharron Angle, running for Senate in Nevada, perhaps spoke what most Republicans think:

“We needed to have the press be our friend… We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported…”

Sharron Angle, Fox News interview 8/2/10

And she might be forgiven for thinking that. It’s what her party has worked at to achieve. Control the media, and you control the message. So much for freedom of the press.

Amendment 2

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Well, this one is abused quite frequently, and most recently, by the Tea Party folks. As a rule, they ignore the first four words.

“A well regulated Militia,”

These folks want to be able to own just about any kind of firepower without telling anyone. They want it a secret that they own a weapon, and you can “pry it from their cold, dead fingers”.

Of course, that’s not what the Second Amendment says. It says that a well regulated militia is essential to the security of a free state. And to that end, the right to bear arms shall not be abridged. What folks on the right want it to mean is that first comes the right to bear arms. Anything else is either a burden or unnecessary, such as the militia part.

Keep in mind, this was created at such a time as there was no conscription, no national force, no Department of Defense. Just citizens. They were a militia, with regular musters.

Some of the more extreme folks want to get around this part by declaring themselves militias. Of course, the “well-regulated” portion then becomes open to interpretation. Are 10 guys running around the woods in Michigan a “well-regulated militia”?

Remember Sharron Angle?  She’s even further to the right on this:

“”What is a little bit disconcerting and concerning is the inability for sporting goods stores to keep ammunition in stock… That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of their government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways?”

- Sharron Angle, to the Reno Gazette Journal, June 2010

“I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who’s in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical… And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.”

- Sharron Angle, to conservative talk show host Bill Manders, June 2010

Again, Angle is a Tea Party favorite. Her rhetoric is, at best, ridiculous, and at worst, dangerous. When prospective lawmakers start talking about “Second Amendment remedies” regarding sitting politicians, when they speak of the government for whose office they are running as “tyrannies”, you can see how the 2nd Amendment is being twisted. My guess is that such talk at the time of the founding fathers may have been found treasonous. Instead, she gets the GOP nod.

Amendment 4

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Here, the southwestern US Republicans, particularly in Arizona, have trampled all over the Constitution. SB1070, the controversial law that had major portions struck down in late July, is a particular problem.

The issue here is with the the requirement that law enforcement officers check the citizenship status of anyone who they have made a legal contact with. The key here is “unreasonable searches and seizures”. If you happen to be in a car when the driver is pulled over, should you be subjected to being required to show your citizenship papers? Should you be detained while the citizenship of all the occupants of the car are verified?

Leading this charge are AZ Gov. Jan Brewer, Senators John Kyl and John McCain, and a whole host of others. To listen to them, it’s an issue of immigration. And of course, that should be enough justification to throw out the 4th Amendment in its entirety.

Amendment 5

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Yup, they’ve gone after this one too.

After the capture and arrest of the individual who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square earlier this year, the cries became loud and shrill to revoke the rights guaranteed by the 5th Amendment and the Miranda Act. Marco Rubio, Republican candidate in FL, John McCain, and Peter King (R-NY), all denounced the fact that Faizal Shahzad was read his Miranda rights. In fact, they even started talking about revoking citizenship of anyone suspected of having terrorist ties. Once again, if it fits their agenda, throw out the Constitution.

Amendment 6

“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”

Again, Republicans would abolish this if they could. Under the guise of “terrorism” and “national security”, they are perfectly happy with locking away individuals without trail. When the Obama administration announced it would be working to close the Guantanamo Bay facility and try some of the prisoners as criminals, the right went ballistic. Their claim was that it was “too dangerous”. Their alternative? Keep them locked up without trial. Another example of where the Republicans love the Constitution, right up until it doesn’t advance their interests.

Amendment 10

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is a real favorite of the right. They use it to decry every act the government takes, claiming they violate states rights. And it might be a good argument, right up until they decide to ignore the 10th Amendment. Like they did with – wait for it – SB1070 in Arizona. With this law, they tried to get past the federal government’s ownership of immigration law. This is, in fact, why portions of the law have been stricken in court. The right uses this to argue that the federal government is not doing their job, isn’t interested in fixing immigration, etc., all the while ignoring the fact that they have deliberately violated the 10th Amendment.

Added 8/3/11: Texas Governor Rick Perry, who as of this date has not announced whether he will run for president, is the latest to flip-flop on the 10th Amendment. When New York passed legislation recently to allow same-sex marriages, Perry said he was fine with it. His reasoning was, of course, the 10th Amendment. Since it is not explicitly forbidden under federal law (nor mentioned), Perry said that meant it was up to the states, and he was ok with that. Then came an interview on the Christian Broadcast Network (8/3/11) where Perry reversed himself:

He’s such a believer in states rights that he’s defended state decisions that he fundamentally disagrees with.

But on issues like traditional marriage, which he says are important to the fabric of the nation, he supports amending the constitution to make it the law of the land.

“I support the federal marriage amendment and I also support the same with the issue of abortion. And I also that same process for a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution so Washington will finally get the message of, ‘Hey, quit spending all the money,” Perry explained.

So, he was fine with it, until he decided it was time to amend the Constitution to outlaw it. This is a fairly common tactic of folks who want to use and abuse the “Constitution” arguments. They will tell you up and down that they know what the founding fathers’ intent was in writing the Constitution, unless of course, that section of the Constitution supports something they don’t like. Then they suddenly toss all that fatherly wisdom of the founders out the window and demand a change to the Constitution.

Amendment 14

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Their latest attack is on the 14th Amendment, which gives citizenship to those who are born on US soil. They now say they want to repeal that portion of the 14th Amendment to stop so-called “anchor babies”, children of illegal immigrants. Of course, this ignores the fact that nearly all of us are descended from immigrants. So the question then is: How many of the Republicans who are clamoring for change to the 14th amendment actually come are descendants of immigrants to the US?

Never mind the fact that the concept of “anchor babies” is as unfounded as the “welfare queen” of the 80′s. The argument is contradictory with the other claim, that illegal immigrants hurt the economy by sending money out of the country. Who would they be sending it to if their “anchor family” is here.

Updated 8/6/10: Republicans have a new front, or at least a new battle on an old front – gay marriage. A federal judge struck down Proposition 8, the California law prohibiting gay marriage under the grounds that it violates both the due process and equal protection clauses of the 14th Amendment. This, of course, flies in the face of what conservatives and the right believe is “morally” correct. They like to declare that they arefor  protection for all, as long as that doesn’t extend to sexual orientation. At that point, they throw out the Constitution. Whether they try to use this as a wedge issue remains to be seen, but they will certainly speak up – and they won’t be arguing the Constitution. They will have plenty of other reasons to argue against this ruling, but precious few will actually argue that the law is Constitutional.

Again, the Republicans tout the Constitution as the law of the land. Except they can’t stand major portions of it.

So Why Do They Hate The Constitution?

As you can see, Republicans have problems with half of the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments to the Constitution, unless it serves their purposes. But they claim to want to instill lawmakers that are strict constructionists and followers of the Constitution. They use that argument in judicial nominations and confirmations. They rail against those who they deem as unwilling to follow the Constitution.

Then they back laws and policies that go against everything that they claim they want to protect. Why?

The answer is fairly simple. The right has become a party concerned with one thing: The preservation of the party. They do not care for the Constitution – to them is is a quaint, antiquated document that gets in the way when they want to raise the hackles of their favorites. When they claim to “protect” the Constitution, they are doing so to wrap themselves in the imprimatur of patriotism, showing their faithful that they are the “true” Americans.

When the Constitution gets in their way, then things become the federal government’s fault, or it’s time to change the Constitution. Forget the founding fathers. Nope, time to change the document they were so vehemently protecting 10 minutes earlier.

It’s all in an attempt to confuse the issues, to change the subject, to fake out everyone else. It’s disingenuous, it’s cynical.

And for now, it’s working.

What needs to be done is that they get called out. That every time they take actions that go against the Constitution, it is pointed out, given a bright spotlight, and the question asked “Why do Republicans hate the Constitution?”

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  • Tod

    While I agree with most of your comments, your understanding of the second amendment does not jibe with the intentions of the framers. I suggest you do a little reading on what the founders actually meant. Well regulated in this context (and in 18th century parlance) meant well ordered and equipped. The militia was meant to be a counter to an oppressive government, and hence interpreting 'well regulated' to mean controlled by the government is an oxymoron.

    I suggest you start with Holbrook's “That every man be armed”.

  • http://www.whatsthequestion.org lsoderman

    Tod,

    Your statement contradicts itself, Holbrook notwithstanding. Note that “well-ordered” implies that there is a structure under which the militia operates. It did not imply that there should be hundreds, or even thousands of independent militia, each with their own agenda and interpretation of the Constitution and what it says. Yet that is exactly how it is being interpreted.

    In other words, well-equipped AND well-ordered are together in the meaning, not separate. Owning an AK-47, AR-15 or other assault weapon, when not part of a “well-ordered” militia is a contradiction of the purpose. You are correct that the intent of the founders was to allow the fight against an oppressive government – but their definition of “oppressive” would be far different from what is being bandied about today. They intended to suppress tyranny by allowing the masses to fight against it. And while many would try to make the argument that they are keeping weapons for that reason, the vast majority are usurping that definition not because they fear a government takeover, but to have an excuse to own the weapon. They are not fighting tyranny.

    To take your definition to the absurd extension would mean that the Constitution allows any citizen to own a tank, missile launcher, artillery – any weapon – as long as they can claim it is to defend against an “oppressive” govenrment. I am fairly certain that was not the intent. Nor do I think most people would support that.

    Thanks for the comment!

  • http://www.jamesandtim.com James

    Yeah, the Rick Perry flip-flop is pretty funny isn’t it? Welcome to national politics Perry. You’re not in Austin anymore.

  • http://www.jamesandtim.com James

    Yeah, the Rick Perry flip-flop is pretty funny isn’t it? Welcome to national politics Perry. You’re not in Austin anymore.

  • http://www.jamesandtim.com James

    Yeah, the Rick Perry flip-flop is pretty funny isn’t it? Welcome to national politics Perry. You’re not in Austin anymore.

  • http://www.jamesandtim.com James

    Yeah, the Rick Perry flip-flop is pretty funny isn’t it? Welcome to national politics Perry. You’re not in Austin anymore.

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    His change of position is not surprising. The right has gone further right, and are requiring pols to make statements of fealty to issues such as opposition to same-sex marriage, abortion, and specific stances on immigration.

    Here’s the sad thing: While many of us realize that anything said nowadays is recorded, documented and distributed almost instantly in the media and online, these guys still get away with it. Why? Because there are plenty of people out there who will only listen to the folks that agree with them, despite all evidence to the contrary. Until we can get some of those voters to see the flip-flops for what they are  - cynical attempts to pander to all sides – these guy swill continue to be voted into office.

  • BJ

    Just found this page & while I appreciate & agree
    with what you’ve written, you have a problem on the 4th amendment. The Arizona
    bill did NOT require officers to check the legal status of anyone who they made
    legal contact with, it only stated that they needed to check the citizenship
    status of someone they made legal contact with if they had suspicion to believe
    they were here illegally. What would give them that suspicion? Glad I asked. In
    Arizona, an illegal immigrant cannot get a driver’s license, if someone was
    pulled over for a traffic violation & did not have a license, how would
    checking their citizenship status be illegal?

     

    Also, per the laws of the federal government, legal
    immigrants are required to carry their “papers” with them at all times, which
    is pretty similar to every citizen being required to carry identification
    (Driver’s license, passport, or just a State issued ID) in this country. I ask
    you, when I am stopped by an officer for any reason, one of the first questions
    they will ask is, “do you have any identification?” So if it is routine for a
    citizen of the United States to have to carry identification, why is a “search”
    unreasonable if a person does not have that identification?

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    Here’s where the theory runs up against the practice: Let’s say they pull me over. I’m not Hispanic, do not appear to be so. But my dad had a thick accent, and was a legal resident. He was, in fact, a naturalized citizen. But by the way the law is written, they could ask him to produce identification. If for some reason, he had left it at home (we ran out of the house quickly; I was buying drinks at the convenience store and he tagged along), they could detain him *because they thought he might be there illegally*. He had committed no crime. But his appearance and/or speech could raise the suspicion that he was an illegal immigrant. This is unreasonable detention of a citizen.

    If this is allowed, why not allow police to detain anyone for any reason, simply because they “suspect” they may have committed some infraction? And allow them to detain for as long as they need?

    When an officer asks you for ID, the circumstance is the important issue. You are not, as a citizen, required to provide ID. If you are on a street corner, and they ask you for ID, you do not need to have it on you. It’s not illegal. Now, if you are *driving* it’s a whole different issue, as part of the privilege of being able to drive is the requirement that you carry a license to do so. But the passengers in your car are not required to carry ID. Detaining them because they do not have an ID violates their rights.

    If someone is pulled over, and they do not have a license, their identity should be confirmed. But “contact” in the context of SB1070 includes all passengers in the car. That extends it too far.

    Another example – a group of young men are hanging out on a corner shooting the breeze. A pick-up pulls up, and after a brief conversation through the window, two of the young men hop into the truck. Per SB1070, the truck should be pulled over and the identities of all checked. The assumption is that they were picked up as workers.

    But what if they were just buddies, and the guys in the truck were supposed to pick them up to carpool to a ballgame? Per the legislation, they can still be detained.

    These situations are not far-fetched, by any stretch. And they are big reasons why many law enforcement groups saw the requirements of SB1070 as making their job harder and going after the wrong people.

  • BJ

    Leo, Fantastic points all around & I appreciate the
    civil discourse we can have about the issue. I’d argue though that even if I
    did not have to produce identification for an officer of the law, it would no
    doubt be in my best interest to do so. I never leave the house without my
    Driver’s license even when I’m not driving. However I understand your argument.

     

    In the bill that I read, I did not see the parts that stated
    they would have to check everyone. From my understanding of the bill (limited
    as though it may be) it stated that the officer could only check whomever they
    had contact with legally, as in the direct person they are making contact with.
    The final bill had provisions in it to protect those who came forward about a
    crime & those who were bystanders, again, from what I read. I did not get
    the same context as you did.

     

    One last thing, as I continue reading I believe, like many,
    the interpretation of the 14th amendment is different than what it
    was meant to do. The 14th amendment wasn’t passed to make everyone
    born in the United States a citizen from that point forward, it was passed to
    ensure that all of the slaves in the USA could literally overnight be citizens.
    After the civil war congress realized that they needed to ensure that all of
    the slaves who were freed were also now citizens. That was the point of the
    amendment, not to make everyone born within the borders of the United States an
    automatic citizen. I realize the courts have interpreted it in the way that you
    make their point, but I disagree with that interpretation.

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    I much prefer civil discourse. Anything else is a waste of time, energy and brain cells. We can’t make effective change for the common good by spewing vitriol. And I appreciate your kind tone as well!

    There have been multiple revisions to SB1070. I’ll look up the latest version, give it a read, and if the requirement has been removed, I will update this post. But it was in the legislation as originally proposed. I will post excepts to illustrate any differences.

    As to the 14th Amendment – We have to interpret the law as written. There is no clause such as “prior to 1865″ included. This has been discussed as far back as the Andrew Johnson administration and at the time, there was no dissent that any child born on US soil was conferred US citizenship. At the time, the debate was about whether children born from Chinese immigrants would be conferred citizenship, and indeed, they were.

    So, you can disagree with the interpretation, but that debate has been going on for nearly 150 years, and the outcome seems to always be the same. Until there is a change to that, the law is what the law states, and not an interpretation.

  • BJ

    Leo,

     Agreed on the Civil discourse. As a matter of fact I’m sharing your Debt Ceiling article and I was blown away by such details. What I had originally thought of as a Republican win, may turn out otherwise if the President can muster a bit more strength to stick to his ideas.

    Agreed on the 14th amendment. It is a debate that will likely never end until some change is enacted. But here’s a question I pose to you, do you think it should change. If I recall my reading correctly, we are one of, if not the last, western country to have automatic citizenship. Most, if not all (just being consistent), of Western Europe have abandoned automatic citizenship and personally I think we should too.

    Again, thank you for the time, responses, and the discussion. It is quite refreshing.

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    I don’t think we need to abandon it. It is, in the end, one of the things that makes this country unique. 

    I think the push to abandon it comes from a desire to “fix” problems with immigration. But the problem of “anchor babies” is one that is far overblown and not giving them citizenship doesn’t provide a realistic solution. Folks who come here, legally or illegally, come here because they see a better life. If you’ve ever taken a look at how some of these folks have to live, you’ve probably realized that the situation they came from must be pretty awful to want to live in overcrowded, rundown tenements, constantly in fear. To them, that is an upgrade.

    So, what are the realistic solutions? Remove the incentives to be here illegally. Enforce the regulations against employers who hire illegally, and make the penalties hurt. The main reason these folks enter the country is to work. They can make more here. But that assumes there are jobs available. Those jobs are only available if an employer is willing to hire someone illegally. That’s a huge start.

    But I don’t think changing citizenship rules does anything for our country. It won’t make us safer. It won’t fix the immigration problem. It simply makes us less inclusive.

  • BJ

    Leo, we’re pretty much on the same page. The parts of these kind of immigration bills that most interest me are the sanctions on employers who hire illegals. I agree that if the USA makes it harder to find work, then less will come here, but with estimates at 119 billion in the cost of illegal immigration I do think something needs to be done & done sooner rather than later.

    I understand why people come here. I’m a first generation American on my father’s side of the family. He immigrated here and started his own business after many years of working hard. I just have issues when those who break our laws (by coming here illegally) consistently want a piece of the pie they haven’t paid in to.

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    True, they break the law by coming here. But going after them ends up being a revolving door if we don’t first address the reasons why they’re willing to risk arrest, live in poor conditions, even risk death trying to get into the country.

    As long as employers have no real fear of being caught hiring illegally, and get slaps on the wrist when they do, the incentive for people to come across the border will remain and they will continue to try.

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